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there's a long-standing relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u.s. military but you know, since 9/11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s.e.a.l.s, the commandoes, cia agents. everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. >> and get too wrapped up. what about the members of s.e.a.l. team six? obviously you have one member who came out -- >> he wrote a book. >> now we know who he is. he wrote a book in violation, supposedly. >> these guys are sworn to secrecy and their own commanders have been cracking down saying to all of them keep your mouth shut. you sign an oath of secrecy, you must obey it. and they have concerns that it's just, again, too much information. this was supposed to be one of the most secret operations in the history of the united states. we all seem to know an awful lot about it. >> we do. so what is going to be the outcome here? because it seems that because the operation was so significant, you don't want to set a pre
there's a long-standing relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u.s. military but you know, since 9/11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s.e.a.l.s, the commandoes, cia agents. everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. >> and get too wrapped up. what about the members of s.e.a.l. team six? obviously you have one member who came out -- >> he wrote a book....
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got access to cia operatives, cia locations, that they had access to navy s.e.a.l.s which they should not have had. and i can't really go beyond that other than to say that now, this investigation has gone on and it's been expanded. >> reporter: bowe says he and bigelow were very aware of national security concerns. >> we're acutely aware that there are sensitivities around this material, and i think we approached this with a lot of respect for those sensitivities. >> pretty -- i really want to see this movie. it does raise a legitimate concern about how much cooperation there is between the cia, between hollywood, between the military. >> it does. there's a long-standing relationship with hollywood and the cia and the u.s. military but you know, since 9/11, this has been a very sexy thing, the navy s.e.a.l.s, the commandoes, cia agents. everybody likes to watch this kind of movie and the real question here, is did it get out of hand, did the government just let them have too much access. >> and get too wrapped up. what about the members of s.e.a.l. team six? obviously you have one me
got access to cia operatives, cia locations, that they had access to navy s.e.a.l.s which they should not have had. and i can't really go beyond that other than to say that now, this investigation has gone on and it's been expanded. >> reporter: bowe says he and bigelow were very aware of national security concerns. >> we're acutely aware that there are sensitivities around this material, and i think we approached this with a lot of respect for those sensitivities. >> pretty...
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and in that sense, it's not helpful. >> the movie portrays the cia analysts and also cia officers in the field and then obviously special forces. but in reality, there was an fbi component and a lot of dissension between the fbi and the cia, bob. >> sure. >> well, the fbi doesn't -- >> go ahead. >> bob, go ahead. >> the fbi is against torture. it can't take the evidence and take it into court. an fbi agent who interrogated khalid sheik muhammad disagreed that torture got anyone anywhere. they're completely opposed to it. the cia was reluctant to use torture, too. it was the pentagon. and as we know, as peter said, the results are mixed. >> so, peter, do you fear this becomes the narrative? that people will see this and think, okay, waterboarding got bin laden? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's the bottom line. i don't think that's not the filmmaker's intent, and they have many other scenes in the movie about how the relationship with the foreign intelligence service derived a very important lead, the real name of bin laden's courier, how they tracked down the cell phones he was using a
and in that sense, it's not helpful. >> the movie portrays the cia analysts and also cia officers in the field and then obviously special forces. but in reality, there was an fbi component and a lot of dissension between the fbi and the cia, bob. >> sure. >> well, the fbi doesn't -- >> go ahead. >> bob, go ahead. >> the fbi is against torture. it can't take the evidence and take it into court. an fbi agent who interrogated khalid sheik muhammad disagreed that...
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laid oillet in a multimedia presentation with drone surveillance and video from the consulate of the cia and annex. >> this is supposed to be sovereign u.s. territory, and if people walk in on us like that without resistance really makes your blood boil because you think to yourself what's the security? >> a video was shown to the committee lastonth, but this is the first time the presentation was made to the entire house. one lawmaker who asked not to be identified who said in the classified naturr of the breech r, the video who assess because the atacker is casual. fox news told james clapper, the nationop intelligence official emphasized, the attacker's motivation uknown, and there was further questions about the obama administration's singular and immediate focus on the anti-islam video? >> why did you just focus on that part for so long rather thansay, look, it's not a black and white issue. >> one of the motivations may very well be either the video, the response to the video in cairo, and, certainly, that's not ruled out. >> fox news has confirmed the decision to shut down the cia
laid oillet in a multimedia presentation with drone surveillance and video from the consulate of the cia and annex. >> this is supposed to be sovereign u.s. territory, and if people walk in on us like that without resistance really makes your blood boil because you think to yourself what's the security? >> a video was shown to the committee lastonth, but this is the first time the presentation was made to the entire house. one lawmaker who asked not to be identified who said in the...
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i didn't talk to any of the cia people involved. what i have heard is that the screenwriter kind of drank the kool-aid and fell in love with his cia sources and are taking their point of view. peter bergen in his book "manhunt" and also in a recent article implies that there was absolutely no link between so-called extreme interrogation and information that led to the courier who ultimately brought them to bin laden. >> for those having seen the film, do you believe it makes the case that torture was essential in killing bin laden? >> can i answer that in a vigorously wishy-washy way? >> i guess you will. >> because i think that kathryn bigelow, if you look at her last film, "the hurt locker," it began with a quote from chris hedges to the effect that war is a drug, an addiction, and kathryn bigelow is kind of an amoral filmmaker. she portrayed a woman who is basically addicted to revenge, who is on a kind of counter jihad. bigelow takes her point of view and shoots the torture scenes in a neutral way. they are ugly, disturbing, and
i didn't talk to any of the cia people involved. what i have heard is that the screenwriter kind of drank the kool-aid and fell in love with his cia sources and are taking their point of view. peter bergen in his book "manhunt" and also in a recent article implies that there was absolutely no link between so-called extreme interrogation and information that led to the courier who ultimately brought them to bin laden. >> for those having seen the film, do you believe it makes the...
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i had to listen to people on this show for years tell me well the cia program get more. waterboarding to work and i knew that was just not true you did get information to lead shaikh muhammad and other terrorists that eventually led to the killing of osama bin laden but a lot of victories. no actually reality check joe tortured doesn't work it's never gained valuable intel this is well no man it's been known for years where have you been and i'm sorry but if i was waterboard one hundred eighty three times in one month like shaikh mohammed was i probably confess that i was a damn tooth fairy if that's what you wanted to hear think about this point though for one second if it is torture did get intelligence is that enough justification to practice the barbaric in any main act of torturing human beings i think not but despite all of these facts all of these inconsistency with the raid in the killing of osama bin ladin it won't matter because not only has the corporate controlled media regurgitated the government's narrative of the event without demanding a shred of evidence
i had to listen to people on this show for years tell me well the cia program get more. waterboarding to work and i knew that was just not true you did get information to lead shaikh muhammad and other terrorists that eventually led to the killing of osama bin laden but a lot of victories. no actually reality check joe tortured doesn't work it's never gained valuable intel this is well no man it's been known for years where have you been and i'm sorry but if i was waterboard one hundred eighty...
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to the cia detention and internation program. that's after her statement and one of the fbi interrogators who was successful in getting information from al qaeda detainees using noncoercive means has strongly criticized the cia's use of torture saying it didn't work. listen to what he says on "60 minutes" about what happened after a cia interrogator showed up to take over the questioning of one of the detainees he had been dealing with. let's watch. >> supposedly he's an expert in the field. so i asked him, do you know anything about islamic fundamentalism? he said no. have you ever interrogated anybody? no. he basically said no, he knows human nature. >> and how does he react to this? >> he basically stopped cooperating. >> the information dried up? >> yes, totally. >> frank, is that true? that he stopped talking after they start getting rough with him? >> i don't know enough about the particular case. i can't answer that. >> let me ask you generally about this. how is this going to coming out? frank, you're a general columnist.
to the cia detention and internation program. that's after her statement and one of the fbi interrogators who was successful in getting information from al qaeda detainees using noncoercive means has strongly criticized the cia's use of torture saying it didn't work. listen to what he says on "60 minutes" about what happened after a cia interrogator showed up to take over the questioning of one of the detainees he had been dealing with. let's watch. >> supposedly he's an expert...
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that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name of john who has some press attention in the past who was equally important so let's be accurate about this. >> fran, i want to ask you, i want to read a quote to you that was in this "the washington post" piece from a former cia official describing the environment at the agency. this is what the quote says. "the agency is a funny place. very insular. it's like middle schoolers with clearances." i want to get your take on that how does the cia culture play into this controversy surrounding this woman now? >> no question it's a very insular place by its very
that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name...
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sillou says he was interviewed by the cia when he left syria. now, he's pleading for the u.s. to give him money and weapons so that he can lead a brigade of fighters back into syria and secure those sites. diane? >> thank you so much, alex. >>> now, we want to tell you the late news about a record fine against a prominent bank, after a startling series of charges. the british banking giant hsbc, about to pay big time. after allegations of money laundering, linked to iran and mexican drug cartels. "the new york times" reports a record settlement. $1.9 billion to be announced tomorrow. >>> and now, a storm blasting the upper midwest of the united states. what a difference a week makes. it was a mild 62 degrees in minneapolis last week, and now a massive storm has dumped nearly 16 inches in the twin cities. more snow in one day than they expect in a month. it was a slippery, sliding mess on the roads. hundreds of snow-related car wrecks across both minnesota and wisconsin. >>> and now, the news of the shocking death of a rising star in latin america, just about to receive her dre
sillou says he was interviewed by the cia when he left syria. now, he's pleading for the u.s. to give him money and weapons so that he can lead a brigade of fighters back into syria and secure those sites. diane? >> thank you so much, alex. >>> now, we want to tell you the late news about a record fine against a prominent bank, after a startling series of charges. the british banking giant hsbc, about to pay big time. after allegations of money laundering, linked to iran and...
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this really you know your background is in more generalized journalist and also and everything but the cia is right they said when you when. and peeling the onion of these frauds and he comes across something called model line insurance what do you know is this just another layer of corruption and is it shocking to you that you keep finding other huge systematic layers of fraud amongst layers of fraud yeah absolutely i you know i think this entire scandal has been fascinating you know just from an educational standpoint because. most of us reporters who are now forced to cover stuff like this because it's so central to the american political narrative in a way that it never was really before we've had to learn about a lot of things that we never knew anything about in these this whole you know model on insurance industry and what happened to it in the wake of the mortgage crisis is really an incredible story because there's a there's an interesting sort of philosophical question here basically these are you know bond insurance companies or investment insurers so if you are selling a mortga
this really you know your background is in more generalized journalist and also and everything but the cia is right they said when you when. and peeling the onion of these frauds and he comes across something called model line insurance what do you know is this just another layer of corruption and is it shocking to you that you keep finding other huge systematic layers of fraud amongst layers of fraud yeah absolutely i you know i think this entire scandal has been fascinating you know just from...
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is the secret report that the cia doesn't want you to see details about the enhanced interrogation tactics used on terrorist suspects sixteen thousand pages of u.s. military secrets that could elude the public eye indefinitely i had a report from capitol hill. and speaking of secrets wal-mart has a few of its own the company shells out millions to lobby for the government to roll back regulations it's also good at keeping scandals quiet coming up a look at wal-mart's big business blitz. and putting a face to the afghan war a select one committee has estimated that hundreds of afghan teens were held in a million military prison many of them under the age of sixteen and seized from their homes are two questions why these you were held without being charged with any crimes. it's tuesday december eleventh four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our t.v. . well begin today with a report that could shed some light on the dark practice of torture this week the senate intelligence committee is set to vote on a report that details the use of enhanced interrogation technique
is the secret report that the cia doesn't want you to see details about the enhanced interrogation tactics used on terrorist suspects sixteen thousand pages of u.s. military secrets that could elude the public eye indefinitely i had a report from capitol hill. and speaking of secrets wal-mart has a few of its own the company shells out millions to lobby for the government to roll back regulations it's also good at keeping scandals quiet coming up a look at wal-mart's big business blitz. and...
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>> well, the filmmakers got extensive access to the cia for this. after the mission, after the bin laden raid was a success, the agency was inundated with requests and they really put their backing behind this project. and there is internal e-mails that have come out to show how enthusiastic they were in providing access to the filmmakers who got to talk to this maya character, they got to talk to the head of the counterterrorism center, they got to tour facilities at the agency including the vault where they -- where the bin laden raid was planned and even to see the agency's mock-up of the compound in pakistan where bin laden was found. so it was really unprecedented access for hollywood and that's what accounts for the authenticity here. >> "zero dark thirty," military terminology for half past midnight. greg miller from "the washington post," thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> the fear of the fiscal cliff and its effect on real people. >> we're not trying to live off the system. we're trying to survive. it is not a luxury to be on unemployment
>> well, the filmmakers got extensive access to the cia for this. after the mission, after the bin laden raid was a success, the agency was inundated with requests and they really put their backing behind this project. and there is internal e-mails that have come out to show how enthusiastic they were in providing access to the filmmakers who got to talk to this maya character, they got to talk to the head of the counterterrorism center, they got to tour facilities at the agency including...
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>> no, she's an undercover cia agent. >> was there pressure bringing her to the screen knowing she may be watching your portrayal of her. >> or sitting next to me on a bus. >> she could be running the camera in here. we don't know. >> yes, there's a lot of pressure. because whenever you play a real life person, especially a woman i think as wonderful as mya, you don't want to do it wrong. but with this script it was hard to do it wrong. >> jason, we meet you early in this movie and it's tough. you are a cia caseworker and you are conducting interrogations, brutal interrogations of terror suspects that include waterboarding and putting dog collars on these suspects and, you know, exposing them in front of other people. how do you even prepare to do something like that? >> you just throw yourself into it. i love the way they threw us straight into the world of these people that we follow. people are doing the job. and as an actor, i wanted to do justice to the men and women that served in this story. >> and in one of the early confrontations or discussions you had with a terror suspect y
>> no, she's an undercover cia agent. >> was there pressure bringing her to the screen knowing she may be watching your portrayal of her. >> or sitting next to me on a bus. >> she could be running the camera in here. we don't know. >> yes, there's a lot of pressure. because whenever you play a real life person, especially a woman i think as wonderful as mya, you don't want to do it wrong. but with this script it was hard to do it wrong. >> jason, we meet you...
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this year of the cia agent a little more complicated than the hollywood spy version portrayal. the post says she was actually passed over for a poe motion shortly after the mission that killed bin laden. also it says she took heat for ties to filmmakers and there was jealousy over her fame and that led to internal friction within the agency. the post says after being given a prestigious award for her work this agent sent an e-mail to dozens of others saying they didn't deserve to share in the accolades. >> not good. >> not getting along very well inside the cia, apparently. >> in the a smart move either. >>> for an expanded look at all of our top stories, head to cnn.com/earlystart. also follow us on twitter and on facebook. just search for early start cnn. >> it's made of steel but it's not a steal by any means. the gift card craze that has some coffee lovers paying way more than face value. look! over time, cascade complete pacs fight film buildup two times better than finish quantum to help leave glasses sparkling. cascade. the clear choice. but when i was in an accident...
this year of the cia agent a little more complicated than the hollywood spy version portrayal. the post says she was actually passed over for a poe motion shortly after the mission that killed bin laden. also it says she took heat for ties to filmmakers and there was jealousy over her fame and that led to internal friction within the agency. the post says after being given a prestigious award for her work this agent sent an e-mail to dozens of others saying they didn't deserve to share in the...
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people got access to cia operatives, to cia locations, that they had access to the navy s.e.a.l.s which they should not have had. i can't go beyond that to say other than this investigation has gone on and been expanded. >> reporter: he says he and big ga lo were aware of national concerns. >> we're akultsly aware that there are sensitivities around this material. and i think we approached this with a lot of respect for those sensitives. -- sensitivities. >> reporter: congressman clear makes clear the movie makers are free to do as they wish. his concern is whether the government is getting too close to hollywood at the risk of the nation's secrets. barbara starr, cnn, new york. >> so interesting. >> makes me want to watch it. >> an olympian, bobsledder and also blind at one point. up next we asked steven holcomb about the best advice he ever received. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get w
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national security contributor, fran townsend, is a member of the cia. cedrick layton member of the joipt staff. what are those consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> well, it is, look, the most recent information suggests they're preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem because now, a military strike could trigger the dissemination of such weapons. what you have to do now is is get the timely tactical intelligence to interrupt the decision cycle. that is get between assad and the individual who presses the button to launch that missile. that's a very ask, very difficult, but now, that's the position we're really in. >> just to be honest, hasn't really seemed to be at least totally aware of everything happening every step of the way here. >> okay, except there was a wmd commission that looked at the failures in iraq and strengthened the committee. there are standards for assessing the credibility of sources. for how an analyst assesses a source and the in
national security contributor, fran townsend, is a member of the cia. cedrick layton member of the joipt staff. what are those consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> well, it is, look, the most recent information suggests they're preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem because now, a military strike could trigger the dissemination of such weapons. what you have to do now is is get the...
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people outside the cia. and, you know, we invite people to bring it up. that may be what you have to do in order to get these people and bring them to justice. i would rather have that in u.s. hands and have a u.s. court decide. >> host: abcaeight. jim in indiana. >> caller: i think that george washington summed it up best when he said keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries wars and squabbles. eisenhower, a wild eyed radical liberal warned that the military industrial complex would bankrupt america. that and whatever happened to our judeo-christian ethics in our nation. how did we ever get so militarized? >> guest: the biggest change in american foreign policy probably since the republic was founded was the creation of nato in 1947. the creation of nato in 1947 was a point in time and the united states said it would come in fact engage in an entangling alliance with other countries' international interest. the previous hundred and 65 years of american history it avoided those kinds of commitments. you can make your own judgment about
people outside the cia. and, you know, we invite people to bring it up. that may be what you have to do in order to get these people and bring them to justice. i would rather have that in u.s. hands and have a u.s. court decide. >> host: abcaeight. jim in indiana. >> caller: i think that george washington summed it up best when he said keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries wars and squabbles. eisenhower, a wild eyed radical liberal warned that the military...
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even though the cia provided her talking points. so here we go again, a new boogieman, a defunked group stole the election. it's kind of funny but to nearly half believe it, it's scary, just like that boogieman that doesn't exist. thank for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> scaring the republicans. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this, with hope. i think we're getting somewhere with this fiscal cliff problem. number one, smart conservatives now say the republicans would face hell if they let this country go over the fiscal cliff. just to protect the top 2%.ç better to take the hit now, they argued, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cu
even though the cia provided her talking points. so here we go again, a new boogieman, a defunked group stole the election. it's kind of funny but to nearly half believe it, it's scary, just like that boogieman that doesn't exist. thank for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> scaring the republicans. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this, with hope. i think we're...
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so there is a real cia agent that she plays who found the link to the courier who took them. >> with her tenacity, her courage and her dedication, you know, really drove that lead forward. and gave it a lot of traction. you know, and i think the interesting thing about the movie is it really puts you in her shoes. it puts you in that intelligence hunt and gives you a glimpse into the intelligence community and the dedication of these men and women including her. but all the men and women that are involved in something -- in an operation that is this complicated and this arduous. >> have you met her, or did mark meet her? >> well, we protect our sources. i'll leave it at that. >> you know, were you surprised that there was a woman who was so intricately involved? because at first when i heard it was a woman, i was, like, wow! and then i got a little disappointed to think, why would i be surprised that it was a woman? were you? >> i had the exact same reaction. i was surprised -- i was thrilled. >> yes, me, too. >> and then i was surprised that i was surprised. >> yes! that's exactly h
so there is a real cia agent that she plays who found the link to the courier who took them. >> with her tenacity, her courage and her dedication, you know, really drove that lead forward. and gave it a lot of traction. you know, and i think the interesting thing about the movie is it really puts you in her shoes. it puts you in that intelligence hunt and gives you a glimpse into the intelligence community and the dedication of these men and women including her. but all the men and women...
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so they're going after just her, not the cia director, david petraeus. her. and i think that that's says a lot. >> thank you so much. next, speaker john boehner set to visit the white house within the hour on this busy day. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. >>> an extremely busy day in washington. the president and john boehner are due to meet at the top of the hour for urgent talks on the fiscal cliff. and with 12 days to christmas, boehner has had his 12 drummers drumming to the beat of spending is the problem. boehner started the day with a chart prepared by drummer boy paul ryan and after taking the serious step of launching a twitter hash tag, he declared that the president is not serious about the debt. >> here we are at the 11th hour and the president still isn't serious about dealing with this issue right here. it's thi
so they're going after just her, not the cia director, david petraeus. her. and i think that that's says a lot. >> thank you so much. next, speaker john boehner set to visit the white house within the hour on this busy day. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news....
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if tom donilon were to move to the cia or one of the other posts that's now likely to be open, it would be possible for susan rice to become national security adviser and to be that close with the president. >> and andrea, is there any indication that the upcoming hearings on december 20th had any affect on this coming out today? >> well, i think that there needed to be some resolution before those hearings because those hearings are going to be very difficult as it is, and that would have been a preview, only a taste of what it would have been like to have confirmation hearings. also the signal that john mccain told people he wanted to ask the leadership to put him on the foreign relations committee. he is the senior person on the armed services committee, and for him to then be on foreign relations as well meant he would have been in a key role as someone on the committee confirming her or any other secretary of state. so that was going to be difficult. this was personal. this is where it gets back to the 2008 campaign and things that susan rice said as a combatant in that campaign on
if tom donilon were to move to the cia or one of the other posts that's now likely to be open, it would be possible for susan rice to become national security adviser and to be that close with the president. >> and andrea, is there any indication that the upcoming hearings on december 20th had any affect on this coming out today? >> well, i think that there needed to be some resolution before those hearings because those hearings are going to be very difficult as it is, and that...
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and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john kerry, chairman of the foreign relations committee, democratic presidential nominee back in 2004. what are you hearing? >> well, obviously now that susan rice is out of the picture, it would be very logical to turn to him. he is well known for international affairs. every type of issue he seems to have a statement ready within seconds. he's a heavyweight. he knows all of the issues. he wouldn't have the difficulty, it would appear, in the senate for being confirmed with that post as susan rice would have. and it also clears the way now for
and then there's a question of cia. the big question is whether john brennan, currently the director of homeland security want that job. it's his if he wants it. the question is, does he? otherwise director morell could get it. the president could perhaps make all of these announcements next week. >> stand by just for a moment. jill dougherty is our state correspondent. it looks potentially like john kerry could be the man that you'll be covering in the weeks and months to come, john...
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officials tell the journal the cia made the call to remove the al qaeda references. why? to protect intelligence sources. according to the reporting of the journal, the fbi agreed with that decision but some state department officials said it made the talking points too vegas. now fox news has learned the director of national intelligence plans to give a classified briefing on benghazi tomorrow for the entire house of representatives. for the rest of the story, catherine herridge with us from washington now. catherine? >> shepard, tomorrow on capitol hill, a second round of closed classified briefings for all the members of the house of representatives, nation's top intelligence officer among others. lawmakers want more definitive information on the level of premeditation by the terrorists and how early it was known. >> the question is how much planning went into this? was it months in the works? was it cobbled together quickly within a matter of a few hours? it makes a great difference in terms of the responsibility as well as the vulnerability of our facilities elsewher
officials tell the journal the cia made the call to remove the al qaeda references. why? to protect intelligence sources. according to the reporting of the journal, the fbi agreed with that decision but some state department officials said it made the talking points too vegas. now fox news has learned the director of national intelligence plans to give a classified briefing on benghazi tomorrow for the entire house of representatives. for the rest of the story, catherine herridge with us from...
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>> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in fact, an attack launched by al qaeda. now, speaking to reporters in ireland on one of her last trips as secretary of state, hillary laughed off questions about a potential presidential run in 2016, saying she's just too busy with her current job to think long term. >> i'm right now too focused on what i'm doing to complete all the work we have ahead of us before i do step down, and i am frankly looking forward to returning to living a life that enjoys a lot of simple pleasures and gives me time for family and friends and other pursuits. >> but as we told you yesterday, the majority of americans are hoping clinton doesn't stay out of politics for too long. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows 57% would vote for clinton in a 2016 presidential bid. >>> turning now to news overseas. all eyes are on two tense situations developing by the hour that could have ser
>> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in fact, an attack launched by al qaeda. now, speaking to reporters in ireland on one of her last trips as secretary of state, hillary laughed off questions about a potential presidential run in 2016, saying she's just too busy with her current job to think long term....
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we've had no woman ever heading up the pentagon, cia, or treasury. on the other hand, we've only had one male as labor secretary in the last 26 years. pop quiz. >> robert reich. >> robert reich. and the chief of staff has always, always, been a white male. going after, as to your point, the black female potential secretary of state after that -- >> -- after the election we just had. it's impossible -- i think you can't divorce any of these things from any of the other things. >> quick panel, yes or no, does susan rice get the nomination? >> yes. i would say. >> yes. >> i have no idea. i have no idea. i'm out of the prediction game. >> one more. >> no. >> i want to thank you on that note to nicolas, joan, maggie, and rana. that is the end of the show. that's all for now. alex wagner returns tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific when she is joined by chris hayes, melissa harris-perry, professor michael eric dyson, and dr. zinc emmanuel. until then, you can find alex on facebook.com/now with alex. andrea mitchell reports is next. good afternoon, a
we've had no woman ever heading up the pentagon, cia, or treasury. on the other hand, we've only had one male as labor secretary in the last 26 years. pop quiz. >> robert reich. >> robert reich. and the chief of staff has always, always, been a white male. going after, as to your point, the black female potential secretary of state after that -- >> -- after the election we just had. it's impossible -- i think you can't divorce any of these things from any of the other things....
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>> reporter: fox news has learned that the decision to close the cia annex and to destroy all of the classified information and move out the classified communications equipment came within 12 hours, 12 hours of the at dark -- attack on the consulate itself and early morning september 12th, by 8:00 local time, effectively the cia operation in benghazi was shuttered. all the classified information was moved or burned as well as the equipment and this was a decision fox was told was made on the ground. then there was notification to washington. it is important to look at this particular data point and contrast it with how long it took the fbi to get into the consulate. that took several weeks. in fact the u.s. consulate in benghazi has never been secured by the united states, martha. martha: wow! great points, catherine the thank you very much. >> reporter: you're welcome. bill: the families demanding answers. the father of one of the former navy seals killed that day leading the charge on this saying he is hearing nothing from the government on what happened to his son. coming up today
>> reporter: fox news has learned that the decision to close the cia annex and to destroy all of the classified information and move out the classified communications equipment came within 12 hours, 12 hours of the at dark -- attack on the consulate itself and early morning september 12th, by 8:00 local time, effectively the cia operation in benghazi was shuttered. all the classified information was moved or burned as well as the equipment and this was a decision fox was told was made on...
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cia time line, a dod time line. sworn testimony from state department and military personnel. just about everything is already out. th what is to tell. is she going to tell us there wasn't enough security or we should have done more? honestly we are all getting tired of the questions that we already know the answers to. what we want to know is why our consulate did not meet the minimum security standards. why our ambassador's pleas for help were ignored. is she and the president watch in real time as the drone spent american for backup. was she in the situation room. how about another one of those situation room pictures. why did no one send help and why when the body was sent back to andrew's air force base did she tell the father they were going to arrest the man who made the video. where did she even come up with the video. finally were the latest accountability review boards findings be filed along side the one from the 98 attack on the embassies for kenya and tanzania. here we are three months later if we didn't respond that night to help americans what makes any one thin
cia time line, a dod time line. sworn testimony from state department and military personnel. just about everything is already out. th what is to tell. is she going to tell us there wasn't enough security or we should have done more? honestly we are all getting tired of the questions that we already know the answers to. what we want to know is why our consulate did not meet the minimum security standards. why our ambassador's pleas for help were ignored. is she and the president watch in real...
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national security contributor fran townsend is a member of the cia and homeland security external advisory board and colonel cedric layton is a member of the staffs. what are the consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> it is. the most recent information suggests they're actually preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing sarin gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem, right? now a military strike could inadvertently trigger the dissemination of such weapons, what you have to do is get the intelligence to interrupt the decision cycle. get between assad and the individual who presses the button to launch that missile. that's a very big ask from the intelligence community and very difficult. that's the positive we're really in. >> the intelligence community which to be honest hasn't really seemed to be at least, you know, totally aaware of everything happening every step of the way here. >> okay, except there's been -- there was a commission that looked at the failures in iraq and strengthened the intelligence community. there are stand
national security contributor fran townsend is a member of the cia and homeland security external advisory board and colonel cedric layton is a member of the staffs. what are the consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> it is. the most recent information suggests they're actually preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing sarin gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem, right? now a military strike could inadvertently trigger the...
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"outfront" tonight, national security contributor fran townsend who is on the cia and homeland security external advisory board and noah shachtman. noah, what do we think is going on right now? at what point are they in this process? >> so the assad regime has hundreds of metric tons of the building blocks of sarin. basically two big building blocks. there's isopropanol which is rubbing alcohol and phosphorous compounds. those are kept separately in order to keep things safe. but the assad regime in small, limited quantities appears to have combined those two chemicals to make deadly sarin nerve agent and has loaded them on to aerial bombs. >> if that is true, fran, it's a very provocative thing. is it provocative enough that the u.s. now has to consider action? >> well, you know, the administration has not made it clear. what the president has said is that the use of such weapons would be a red line for the united states and her allies. but it's not clear, short of use, is this preparation, is the mixing of the precursor chemicals enough? as noah can tell you this is a very unstable su
"outfront" tonight, national security contributor fran townsend who is on the cia and homeland security external advisory board and noah shachtman. noah, what do we think is going on right now? at what point are they in this process? >> so the assad regime has hundreds of metric tons of the building blocks of sarin. basically two big building blocks. there's isopropanol which is rubbing alcohol and phosphorous compounds. those are kept separately in order to keep things safe....
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we have a picture from former cia operative and contributor bob bayer to show you what the impact of a single shell of gas would be in launched on homs in syria. the large swath of the city that would be affected. it's estimated about 18,000 people would be killed in a day. let's get straight to barbara starr. and barbara, what have you learned tonight? >> well, you know, as tragic and serious as this is for the people of syria, this now has regional implications throughout the middle east. intelligence services from israel, turkey, jordan, lebanon, all the countries surrounding syria are talking with the united states around the clock about this very scenario because if there were to be god forbid a chemical attack, the concern is some could drift across borders. worse even as tragic as that would be, what if the regime collapses, terrorists move in, insurgent groups move in and grab some chemical material. they could take it across the borders into the neighbors countries and have a full fledged crisis in the region. >> there has been talk that assad may try and seek asylum. what a
we have a picture from former cia operative and contributor bob bayer to show you what the impact of a single shell of gas would be in launched on homs in syria. the large swath of the city that would be affected. it's estimated about 18,000 people would be killed in a day. let's get straight to barbara starr. and barbara, what have you learned tonight? >> well, you know, as tragic and serious as this is for the people of syria, this now has regional implications throughout the middle...